Wednesday, August 6, 2008

TBN Fun

Michael Mckinley over at The 9Marks Blog has a very funny article about the Sunday he recorded several televangelists. Two of my favorite quotes are below.

"Rod Parsley

-- Homiletics lesson #3 -- If you lack the authority that comes with the truth, garner authority by screaming and then staring into the camera like a serial killer."

"And finally, Ed Young TV

-- After all the prosperity gospel stuff, Ed Young, Jr. seems like Charles Spurgeon.

-- We're talking sex today on Ed Young TV. At one point he said, "When you make love to your spouse, you are like the Trinity. You can't tell where one ends and another begins." Those, gentle reader, are the two least sexy sentences ever uttered.

-- If When I become the old guy dressing twenty years younger than I am, please tell me. I don't blame Ed Young for dressing like he's a 25 year old with a perma-tan. I blame the people around him who enable it. It's not OK. Ed, I say this as a friend... it's time to rock the distinguished professor look."




Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Church Planting Franchise Style (Part 3 1/2)

Driscoll gives some good balanced insight to the theology issue discussed in the previous Church Planting Franchise Style (Part 3) post. I've also added another goodie. :)





Saturday, August 2, 2008

Church Planting Franchise Style (Part 3)

The question I raised with a previous post "why would or should I or anyone else for that matter get angry about Northpoint franchising itself and placing its product only in large metro areas so that people are changed" hopefully and prayerfully will be answered below. I would also like to raise one more question at the end of this post that may or rather will definitely suprise those of you who know me and/or have read much at all of this blog.


I'm not angry that Northpoint wants to plant a ton of churches.


I'm not mad at the fact they are only targeting major metro areas either.


I am distubred by the language one of their own church plants uses to describe their church planting philosophy using terms such as "franchise, brand, company, our customers, raving fans," and thus one of the reasons I obviously am not a fan of their methods. It is not disturbing because those particular words are part of some evil satanic incantation. They are disturbing because of the connotations these words have in relation to a church or church planting. It seems the Gospel has become a commodity to be peddled rather than the instrument for the life change that the Northpoint folks desire. But then again if you were to read the post you won't find one mention of the Gospel at all. Sure you'll find a desire that their "customers" buy into life change. But instead of the Holy Spirit working with the Word, and through the Word, and never against the Word which all points to the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the power of God unto salvation (they call it lifechange) Northpoint's philosophy is to win their "customers" with environments. Environments? Yes environments. There's no mentioning of that boring ole played out Gospel, but you sure can find interesting, helpful, and irresistible environments to promote life change in the Northpoint franchises-just what consumers need. But is it what sinners need?


Another reason I get angry and frustrated is the cow dung you can read straight from the horse's mouth as it were. They offer lip service in regards to not wanting to promote Andy, but I'm not drinking the Northpoint Kool-aid. If you did happen to read #4 under Questions from Potential Staff I hope that you ask yourself just what is being promoted. Is it Andy? Is it Andy's gift? Is it Jesus? Is it the Gospel? I think the answer is obvious.


The last thing that I want to comment on is the dichotomy they place between communication and leadership. Cumberland's lead pastor says this "NP churches no longer fight that leadership battle. We can find leaders to do both lead AND teach. We purposefully separate "communication" from "leadership". We don't feel biblically, or from a church leadership standpoint, that they necessarily have to be one in the same." So the Biblical example is that of the Apostle encouraging a shy, timid, cowardly man to find someone else to make up where he lacked and to find all the men that were skilled in the precise areas he was insufficient and use them instead. Or rather the Biblical example is that of the Apostle boasting in his weakness because grace is sufficient; Christ's power is made perfect in weakness. Or maybe my ESV is jacked up and I'm reading it wrong. And please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not naive enough to think that one man can pastor a church as effectively as a plurality of leaders. I understand that we all have areas where we lack and God uses other men and women as means to fill those holes so our ministries are made more complete. I'm simply arguing that there's no need for the distinction or rather separation between communication and leadership in a pastoral role especially when that distinction is more aligned with a business model than a Biblical model.


To put it all together, the franchise church isn't what necessarily gets me red faced. It is the promotion of man over God, experience over truth, environment over supernatural sovereign grace, and methods and strategies over the life changing freedom and adoption in Christ through the power of the Gospel that perfectly and eternally saves.


Here's my point. And no I'm not going to use the old cliche "what you win them with is what you win them to" although I think it is certainly fitting. The heart of the matter, and the answer to question at hand, and really the bottom line of the old cliche just quoted is theology. These examples I hope serve as a reminder to how crucial and foundational theology is. From your theology flows your ideas, methods, and strategies into whatever goals/ends you may have. So if you have a high view of man guess who you're going to promote and prop up. And if you have a low view of scripture and the gospel guess what you're going to use in their place...environments and productions. The reason followers of Christ should rail against methods and philosophies like this is because it ultimately denies Him, His work, His saving grace, and His glory.


This may surprise some of you. In the next post I want to answer the question "Why I am glad Northpoint is planting churches?" And then the last post in this series I will take a look at some of the other church planting organizations, and why I think they are a much better model.

Saturday, July 26, 2008

Church Planting Franchise Style (part 2)

As stated in the previous post I am going on vacation. The answer to question I posed "So why would or should I or anyone else for that matter get angry about Northpoint franchising itself and placing its product only in large metro areas so that people are changed??" will have to be answered sometime this coming week if I get access to a computer. In the meantime Red and Black had an interesting and in my opinion accurate description of the specific example of the north point partners. Anyone else care to chime in on the specific example or even church planting in general?

Friday, July 25, 2008

Vacation Smokes

The picture of the Rocky Patel's a couple of posts down got me thinking of the vacation cigars I'm going to have the opportunity to enjoy this coming week. I don't have a large collection by any means. But what little I do have I thoroughly enjoy. It looks like this week I'll be enjoying a couple of Gurkha Fuertes and an Edge by Rocky Patel while I read good theology on the sandy shores of Fernandina Beach. Who is jealous?



Thursday, July 24, 2008

Church Planting Franchise Style

For the past several days I've been doing some reading and thinking about church planting. But be forewarned and note that I have not read best-selling books on this subject, nor have I formally interviewed any church planters. Essentially all I have read is the ministry philosophy and general information behind a few church planting organizations, and I have talked with a couple friends who know more and have some experience in church planting. I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be. I just have been rolling these things around in my head for a few days and wanted to share some thoughts.

Specifically the one church planting organization that sparked my interest in church planting philosophy is northpointpartners.org. This is Andy Stanley's church planting division from his organization known and branded as Northpoint Community Church. After reading through their faqs and some blog posts from one of their "strategic partners" "lead pastor" I'll be honest and say that I became a tad angry.

This is childish and immature right? There was no reason to be upset and there is no reason to be upset now. After all, lives are being changed and people reached-
approximately 30,000 at all of the campuses and strategic partner locations each week. They are "winning" and successful. "I’ve found a model and a set of systems I believe in, I fit in and I chose to commit myself to....and I'm going with that."As the "lead pastor" from Cumberland says in this blog post "I’ve found a model and a set of systems I believe in, I fit in and I chose to commit myself to....and I'm going with that." And "... are we seeing people becoming more intimate with God? Are we seeing believers in our churches connect more meaningfully and regularly with other believers? Are they changing and maturing to be more like Jesus? Are we seeing the committed core in our churches leveraging their influence in the lives of those aren't in church anywhere and are disconnected from God? Are they strategically and boldly inviting their friends and neighbors into the right environments we are creating together, so that they can discover the life-changing message of Jesus Christ?"

So why would or should I or anyone else for that matter get angry about Northpoint franchising itself and placing its product only in large metro areas so that people are changed?

The answer to that question at least from my perspective will be forthcoming...until then though does anyone else have any thoughts/comments/rants/praises on church planting in general or
the above example specifically?

Wednesday, July 23, 2008

New Link

I found this blog The Red and Black Redneck while taking a look at Phil Johnson and company's Pyromaniacs. I guess I won't hold a grudge against him for being a Georgia Bulldog fan and add him to my roll. Nobody is perfect right?

I read through a few posts and it seems to live up to the description "commentary from the deep South on life, football, religion, and politics (not necessarily in that order.)" There are some helpful insights as well as a couple of things I can really relate to like reformed theology, SEC football, and fine hand rolled goodness. Or for the visually stimulated...